U.S. President Barack Obama spoke with Re/code recently on a variety of topics relating to technology. The talk included the president’s thoughts on encryption, which has been a controversial subject in tech circles lately after government officials (including Obama himself) have publicly complained about default encryption in modern communication tools. In the interview, he says he’s a “strong believer in strong encryption,” adding, “I lean probably further on side of strong encryption than some in law enforcement.” Obama puts it another way, more bluntly: “There’s no scenario in which we don’t want really strong encryption.”

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